Dreaming of a Black Christmas

It's another of Nomi's favorite movies, and this time we're chatting about Black Christmas (2006). She's got a lot to say about this one, considering she watches it at least once a day during the month of December. It's on a loop more than TNT replays A Christmas Story.
So grab your eggnog, cozy up by the fire, and sharpen that candy cane to an uncomfortably sharp point and we close this season of The Mr. & Mrs. Show with a Holiday favorite. See you next year gang and thanks for joining us!

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SPEAKER_01 0:15

This is a stolen bit, but uh around this time of year I'm always reminded of Trixie and Katya when they're like Happy Holidays. Merry Christmas I don't know why. It always just pops in my head. Maybe because it's the holidays and it's Christmas time. Hi, honey. Welcome.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Hi, babe.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Happy holidays. Happy holidays.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Happy fucking holidays. I'm just kidding. Right off the bat. Happy holidays.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

She's here, everyone.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

She's here. She's queer. And she got a trucker's mouth.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Yeah, she does. She is here. It seems like everyone's here. The family has been here lately for Christmas, and it's been really fun to have everyone in the house. And it's a um slightly controlled chaos that isn't really controlled. Um, but it's fun. No, it's not. It's it's it's a curated chaos for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

We're reliving family vacation or Christmas vacation.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

We really are. I've thought about that many, many times.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Like different people coming in on different days, all of our bedrooms are full. Um, like big shopping out. Like we just did the market today and got everything for for Christmas Eve, dinner, and Christmas Day. And got the uh the in my in in my maternal side of my family, it is Christmas tradition to have two-pound boxes of C's candies on tables over the Christmas holidays.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Every time the doorbell rings, it sounds like it's getting lower and lower. Dong dong. Doong dong.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

We're really excited. Otherwise, it's been great to be having these people in our home because we're those kinds of people that have no problem saying no.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Yeah, it's been good.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Uh, speaking of controlled chaos, today we are talking about one of Nomi's favorite uh holiday films, a family favorite. I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Hold on, give me just a minute to compose myself.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Fun for all ages uh above 17. Um, we are, of course, talking about uh Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown. It's Black Christmas. Yeah, we're talking about Black Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

The 2006 remake, not the 2019 uh millennial hunk of shit. Um, but also an ode to the 1974 classic by Bob Clark, who also did oh thanks, honey. Sorry. I just won't look at you. How about that?

SPEAKER_01 2:34

No, and I think that's appropriate because I won't sorry, take a message.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

I'm doing a podcast right now. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

I want our listeners to have the best audible experience possible. Although I do appreciate you looking at me while you're speaking. Thank you to not at all necessary. Pretend we're in a totally different room.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Nice. Real nice princess. Anyway, Black Christmas. And it is an ode to Bob Clark, who directed the 1974 original Black Christmas, but who also did a Christmas story with Ralphie.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, that's one of my favorite Christmas movies.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Mine too. So I uh I love them both. But yes, today's podcast uh is the season three finale, and it is December 21st. And uh we're gonna wrap up with uh an in-depth dive into Black Christmas. Great. Awesome. All right, so let's start with the premise for those of you who may not know this show, uh, and the premise for the 2006 version specifically. On Christmas Eve, an escaped maniac returns to his childhood home, which is now a sorority house, and begins to murder the sorority sisters one by one. And it's fantastic. The beginning, the beginning is amazing. It's crit- I mean, they really my mom and I were talking about it because we watched both versions yesterday. We watched the 74 and then we watched the remake. Um, because my mom and dad are in uh in town with us right now, and uh I I asked her about it, and we started talking about how the Christmas aspect of it is on steroids. I mean, every inch of that set is decorated. The hues and the tints on the lights are really turned up bright. There's a lot of blinking and alternating flashing lights, roaring fireplace, gift wrapping, drinking wine.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Yeah, it's really pretty. It's a shame they had to like destroy it all with murder and blood.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

What we're saying is that it's such a subtle way to create uh uh uh even more of a juxtaposition because you have this horrible uh serial killer killing these sorority girls, which is almost made to seem even worse because it's happening in this like idyllic Norman Rockwell Christmas setting.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Yeah, I think that's I think that's a very uh poignant point, and it's also something that um the director of the original film had mentioned. I I saw a screening of it years ago when I was in college, it was the first time that I saw the original film, and he gave a talk afterward, and he said that that juxtaposition that you're talking about is what um he really wanted to play up. The fact that everyone thinks of this season as such a bright, jolly, happy time, but it doesn't mean that bad stuff stops happening. Right, right, because uh this world is kind of shitty, and so um, yeah, take take advantage of those wonderful happy moments, but don't let your guard down to the point where yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Totally. I agree with that. I mean, we we've talked about, and I think in the last podcast too, or with Showgirls, how every movie is it's it's art, and what does art do? It reflects life.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

So all of your favorite movies are about the the bad part of life. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Yeah, we were just talking about these showgirls. I think it's right because when I'm afraid of something, I kind of want to dive into it until I'm not afraid of it anymore because I just don't like being afraid of things, I don't like running away from things. So I tend to gravitate towards movies like that because there's a relatability because in that quest, my experience has given me what those movies offer in the form of entertainment. Right. Like uh, well, like it starts with too as a kid watching Dynasty, watching people behave badly and learning to accept that as what a form of entertainment is, and then cut to my generation with like 90210 and Melrose Place, and Housewives and Housewives, and the remake of Melrose Place, which starred Casey Katie Cassidy, who's also the lead in Black Christmas, there's a lead who does a wonderful job. And wait, which one's the lead? The last girl, the final girl. One of the the college girls, Ollie Hudson's girlfriend. Oh, okay. So the one who starts her hair up in a ponytail in the beginning of the movie and then ends it down. Kind of. And we don't really see when she took the ponytail out, but after like the 50th time of watching this movie, I've spotted it.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Yeah, that makes sense. I that's it's the one one of the things that I don't care for in this movie is that the girls are kind of interchangeable for me.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Sorry, girls. I see all of you for the idea for the individual people that you represent.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

With the exception of the actresses that I can recognize.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

That's so but see, that's not fair because No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

It's not it's not a it's not a commentary on them or their performances, it's just how that movie goes for me. Because I I watch the original and I can distinctly call out each of the girls because each of their characters is so strong for me. Okay, but I understand what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

So um going back to casting, Katie Cassidy, I think, did a fantastic job as the lead. She is an amazing scream queen, a believable screen queen, and I think a very underrated actress in terms of being able being the actress that really represented this sort of mid-2000s uh genre, and then went on to do the reboot from Elrose Prace, which I absolutely love. We also have Michelle Trachtenberg. Yes, Michelle Trachtenberg is here with us today. That would be really cool. I would that would be really cool. Yeah. But the movie also has Michelle Trachtenberg playing um the type of character that Michelle Trachtenberg really uh well, I mean, I guess we just all wanted to see her play that sort of um sharp-tongued um street know-how girl, sort of like the the Joe uh polnachek of facts of life, if you will. Uh, and then Lacey Chabert, my I think um probably my favorite, playing the the rich spoiled sorority girl. Um and we have uh let's see who else? Oh, Mary Elizabeth Winstead from um Final Destination III, the roller coaster one. She played the lead in that one, and then we also have from that movie um at the time she was Crystal Lowe, but I think she's like reached out to her parents' heritage, and so now it's Yankee Crystal Lowe. She was also in Final Destination III, and uh she does a wonderful job of reprising the Margot Kidder role in this remake movie. I really enjoyed it, and they bring Andrea Martin back, that's my favorite original. She played a character named Phil in the original, and then she came back as the Den mother, and we absolutely love her.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

I love her Phil character in the original, and I love her Den mother character in this one. Me too. Two very distinct characters, but very strong, and and I really like her performances in both.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Agreed, agreed, and then we have Oliver Hudson. Uh, he he's in it, he plays uh the love interest of uh Katie Cassidy, our lead actress. Um oh, and then Kristen Cloak, who plays the sister of Claire, who comes to try to find her sister, not knowing that. Spoiler alerts, spoiler alerts, one, two, three, she's already dead. Um, and she's the wife, or was the wife, of the director of this version. Um, and I just I loved her character. I thought it was really good. So um, opening scene. We start the movie with some exterior shots of the house, and it's it's all done up and lit up for Christmas with beautiful lights, and the song playing is uh Man with the Bag, which has quickly become one of my favorite holiday songs. Um and and then we're seeing these little like exterior shots through the windows of what's going on in the different bedrooms, and then we're brought inside of the house, and what happens next, Robert?

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Uh someone dies.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

I'm I'm trying to remember specifically because I'm I have the original in my mind. So we're looking at the outside or inside, the girl's wrapping presents and stuff. Yeah, someone dies. She dies.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

So, yes, we're seeing various things happen. Uh, and we enter into the house and we're in one of the bedrooms where a girl is wrapping presents and enjoying a glass of wine. And then the uh she notices something going on in the closet.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Oh, you're going like you're actually check it out.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Got it. And of course it's nothing. So then she sits back down and then bang, that's where they hit you in the opening. Bag over her head, pen she was using to write the Christmas card through the eyes.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

It's very loud. It's one of those moments where Jared, like, I don't know if he he forgets that it's a very loud, like late 90s, early 2000s jump scare.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

2000s, 2006.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Um, but where like we turn it up because the music is slight and she's very quiet. And then yeah, it's it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

I love it. It's very loud. It's amazing. It's great, it's funny. It does exactly what it's supposed to do in the opening sequence. And then we're downstairs with uh with the with the girls, and they're gathered around the table, wrapping presents, drinking wine, gossiping, talking about all the other girls have left, and um, and then they start talking about the lore of Billy. Billy. Billy, who ends up being the serial killer that stalks them, used to live in the house and was kind of tortured by his mother who didn't like him and locked him in an attic and had an incestuous child with him, and then he ended up killing the family one Christmas and eating them. He turned their flesh into Christmas cookies and ate them and then was sent off to an asylum. So here we are 15 years later, and their house has been converted into this sorority house. He has escaped the uh asylum and has come home and came in through an unlocked window in the attic.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Because everyone should be home for Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Because everyone should be home for Christmas, they say that throughout the that's like a everyone should be home for Christmas. Yeah. So he starts picking these girls off one at a time.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Do we know why?

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Um no, because he's crazy. He's just crazy in the house.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Because it's his house.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Because it's his house. Okay, and he and he wants a family, but I think he also, if we're gonna get slightly meta about the message, I think he also understands that he can't exist with a family that has free will, right? Because of the way he was treated. So he kills them and then props them up sort of like living dolls, and then that's his family.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Got it. In the attic. He likes sets up his own little nativity scene up there. Yeah. Exactly. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

And then as things start to progress, the girls start getting worried because you know the storm is shutting things down, they lose the power, the phones are out.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

And at this point, too, they don't really know that their friends are dead, they're just missing. Exactly. They haven't seen them, or they think that they're sleeping, or they haven't heard from them in a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Yeah, their sister already came to pick them up.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Yeah, no one has actually taken time to walk through the rooms and find out where these people are.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Right. And then the sister comes and they're like, Well, Claire was supposed to be gone already. And so then they're like, Well, where's Claire? Where's Claire? Then where's this girl? This girl. And one of them sits. One of the girls gets abducted, they get a phone call from that girl's cell number and or cell phone, and it's Billy just doing all horrible voices. And I actually think the voice of Billy in the original was far more aggressive and violent. I mean, calling the saying that he was going to fuck them in their pink cunts, that that kind of stuff, but like growly, like and like fuck Santa, and I'm gonna kill you, just changes and then goes dead. I mean, creepy stuff, creepy, creepy stuff.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

The the characterization of Billy is far more violent and subtle in the original than the openly bloody slasher that we get in this remake.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Well, he's he's supposed to be the equivalent of the Michael Myers mask, right? We're not supposed to know anything about him or why, because that makes it even scarier. Because how do you defend yourself against something that you don't know what the threat is or why the threat's motivated, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:13

So the things that he says on the phone in the original are far more, I think, disturbing than the like random crank calls that it seems that they're getting from this guy in the new one.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Yes, I I agree with that. So uh so then they start getting worried, they're looking, and then they finally go outside and discover that someone's been murdered, and then they discover another person's been murdered, and now things are getting real, people are dropping fast and furious, and it all ends up in the attic of the sorority house where they discover all the bodies, and the eyes have been ripped out and hung on the tree as ornaments.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Eyes are a theme in this movie, yeah. Um, and in the original. But are eyes a thing for the director, or am I thinking of someone else?

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Well, it's two different directors. Okay, because Bob Clark didn't do the remake. Right. But what I and I I don't know the answer to that question, but in this one, it is because when his father was murdered, in the process of the murder, he lost his eye. So then he took his inbred sister's eye. Uh, and then we're in the attic, and we come to find out that it's not just Billy, but his inbred sister Agnes has also been in the house and committing these murders with him. To which we are finally down to the last two girls who um manage to trap them in the burning house and then walk out. And then cut to the hospital, and Billy is declared dead, and then Agnes has gone missing, and then she kills the um older sister played by Kristen Cloak and attempts to kill Katie Cassidy's character, but Katie Cassidy takes the defibrillator paddles and just fries her head with them.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

It's an interesting third act because you think at the point when the fire has burned the house down and that they're trapped inside, potentially, that that's kind of gonna be it. But it's not in a typical um horror film where at the very end, in Jason Voorhees style, they like pop out of the river. It's not really like that because you actually get a good like 20 or 30 minutes after that when they get into the hospital, it keeps going, and it's not that she escapes, but you have another fight that you have to go through, and people are still dying at the hospital, regardless of feeling safe in that moment.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Exactly. But we're also see, we we've seen both versions, and there's two versions there's the American version, and then there's uh the European or the uh Asian version, and the ending is slightly different. The death scene of Michelle Trachtenberg is the big one. In the version that we have been watching, which is the overseas version, um it's a longer cut. Um, she has her eyes removed and is dragged down the hallway, kicking and screaming. In the US version, though, she's um decapitated with an ice skate in one of the rooms. Uh, and then the ending is very different too. And in the US version, I think the sister, the older sister, actually survives, so there's two final girls. But in the version we have, she is killed, and then Katie Cassidy ends up killing Agnes.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Do you know what the significance are between the two versions and why they decided which went where?

SPEAKER_00 18:34

If I remember correctly, and I'm not 100% sure on this, it had to do with test market audiences. Oh. And that's all I think I know.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

I mean, that kind of makes sense. I feel like Americans would be uh they would feel better about a decapitation rather than someone having their eyeballs ripped out.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

No, no, no. The eyeball ripped out, uh, dragged down the hallway scene is much more violent. And that's why it was also it was, I think uh the US version was pared down in terms of its of its violence, which makes no sense if that's the case, because American movies love violence. It's it's sex that we hate.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

I think, yeah, I feel like it depends on who the violence is happening to. If they're young girls, they probably had to pull it back a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Or depending on the name of patriotism, then full speed ahead, no bowl, no holds barred, as they say. As they say.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Yeah. Yeah, guess we'll never know.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Guess we'll never know.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Unless we go see a screening of this, and the director actually tells us.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

I'd be open to that. We could also reach out to him and just be like, hey.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

I mean, that's true at this point. We can just send them a message on Twitter and be like, hey, I have a question. Can you tell me why this happened?

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Yeah, yeah. Um the so and I like I like both versions. I will I I play this movie so much during December. I really wait until December. I hold out as long as I can because I know once the seal is broken, it's going to be on at least once a day. And I love the opening scene. I like to go to sleep to this movie. And I know it sounds strange. I have a slight uh selective desensitization to certain things. This movie is so familiar to me that it actually gives me comfort rather than disturbing me. But I also fall asleep before a lot of the real bad stuff happens. So I'm getting a lot of the Christmas music and the lights and the girls just like being together and wrapping presents and all that stuff. The only complaint I have about this movie for the type of movie that it is, uh, is that there were a couple scenes in the trailer that not that they didn't make it into the movie, they were never filmed as a part of the movie. They were actually filmed afterwards, specifically for the trailer. Uh, there's a girl, there's two scenes, I think. One is a girl under Frozen Under Ice, uh, and then the other one is a girl being pulled, I think, out of her window, uh, with some like Christmas lights wrapped around her and then being like sliding down and falling off the roof of the building.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Oh, I remember seeing that in the trailer in the theater.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Yes, and those scenes were filmed after the filming of the movie just for the trailer. So it kind of I think there's also um yeah. Yeah, the actress too, that is playing in those scenes is not an actress that is anywhere in the movie itself. She was just hired to shoot those roles for the trailer. Or those scenes for the trailer. That's my only complaint. Because it looked like it would have been really freaking cool. So, although I don't know where they would have gone out onto the lake to see the frozen woman, but I think the girl being thrown off the roof with Christmas lights wrapped around her neck to be hung is and that seems kind of very slasher movie to me.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

I really remember that. It at this point it feels like one of those um uh what's that TikTok thing that you're always talking about where it's like, oh In my mind, it's always been this, but it's not really this. The Edgar Mann thing butterfly effect or something stupid.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

It's like the it's some sort of paradigm or or like something where you guys know, you know what we're talking about. And they swear by it, and they think that someone's gone in and changed the movies because the line in the movie is actually what is it? It's Luke, I am your father, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:41

I don't really remember. It's along those lines.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Or vice versa. Or they think that Ed McMahon was the publisher clearing sweepstakes guy who showed up at your door, but he isn't. He's the American publisher's sweepstakes. Two different things of the sort. American clearinghouse, American clearinghouse. Because we were watching some retro Christmas commercials on YouTube the other night, and guess what popped up? Ed McMahon, and he wasn't on someone's doorstep with a check. So all this, like, and I'm totally open to the idea that this is a simulation, but the fact that people out there think that they're smarter than the simulation and that they're spotting mistakes that we're not meant to see, it's such a farce. It's just people have way too much fucking time on their hands on social media. It's ridiculous. But it's that thing. I just can't remember. It has a name, but again, it's a gnomer.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

It's one of those TikTok. Like some sort of challenge. Like, oh, the brain mess up challenge. Um, but essentially, yeah, that sticks in my head now because I do remember that scene in there. TikTok is the devil.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Oh, sorry, make-believe. TikTok and social media are forms of play. It's make-believe. It's for people that can't get an agent and a contract and a movie up on a silver screen. That's where we go then to become the entertainers that we want to be. But make no mistake, social media is entertainment. You're gonna find very, very few people out there that offer actual educational information versus influential information, and there is a big difference.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Is there anything about the movie that you would change?

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Aside from the thing that you wish was part of it that you just honestly, it's really hard because, like I said, my only complaint is the scenes in the trailer not making it into the real movie. I think the set decoration is amazing. I think the messaging is is great. I could do with a little less, I really like the the the the uh exposition on Billy and Agnes, but I could do without uh the long scenes in the mental institution. And they're not even that long, it's like maybe five minutes, but it's quite trite information that if left to our own devices with the right kind of setup, we can connect those dots ourselves without having to waste too much time in that really just dank dark, dreary place.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Well, that's the it they're also setting up for a kill for someone that we don't care about. We don't we haven't we haven't been with these characters long enough to care about them dying, so we're just experiencing another death scene, which is something that I don't really like in slasher films anyway.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Not just somebody that we don't care about, but somebody that in the small time they've been given to show us who they are have shown us that they're expendable, they're that kind of person, just you know, kind of it just yeah, it doesn't help the story either.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

We know that this person's in a mental institution for a reason. I would rather just see them having escaped, but I don't need this anyway. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

That's my I mean I that and that's uh that's me looking for something just to be able to answer the question. Yeah, it's not like in um Titanic where once they hit the iceberg, you just want to turn the movie off, or uh what's the other one that we watch where I'm just like, oh, showgirls. Yeah, we just talked about that. This was this scene's coming up, and yeah, I'm good. This is where the story ends for me. Yeah, but I love that movie. I mean, honestly, I love the movie. It's a reason why I watch it so much, and I'm so excited to watch it. And every time I hear a song on the radio around this time of year from that movie, all those songs are now immediately linked to that movie. So it reinforces my enjoyment of the movie, but it then it also reinforces that my enjoyment is because the movie reinforces the holiday season for me. So there's some synergy working on here.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

I wish that there was more holiday in it.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Uh, what do you mean more holiday in it?

SPEAKER_01 26:34

I think that the opening scenes are really great and the setting of the um of the scene, the holiday scene and the the sets and all that. I think that's really great. I wish that that carried through heavier throughout the film to keep it um to keep us going back and forth. I want I I just want a little bit more as we go through.

SPEAKER_00 26:55

And I'm the way I would do. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

That's exactly what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

We have we have that in this movie. This movie.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

No, I know we do, but I would like more. Oh is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Like part of the reason why I enjoy watching the Grinch that stole Christmas.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Well, I was gonna say um part of why I enjoy Krampus so much is because that holiday is in it, it's ingrained throughout the entire film so heavily that it keeps it, it keeps me in that like roller coaster state. Because at times when I'm watching this movie, I find that I'm just like hit repeatedly with blood, murder, death, blood, murder, death, blood, murder, death.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

One is a horror movie about the lore of Christmas, and the other one is a slasher movie that takes place during the holidays.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Yeah, I I know the difference. I'm just saying, if there was one thing that I could change, I would like a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Then you'd be watching a different movie, and Black Christmas would no longer be Black Christmas. Yeah. Even the original. I mean, there's a lot more Christmas in the remake than there is in the original. Yeah, absolutely. So you got it. You got it. It's just not enough. Like a typical American more success.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

I want more Christmas in my Christmas. That's it. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Well, careful, careful when you wish for more. I'm gonna get it. Well, your stocking can only hold so much. I have a big stocking. Okay. Well, more Christmas. I want more. Santa will only let Krampus get away with so much.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

All right. If you are looking for a fun, not so stereotypical, but definitely on the mark movie for this holiday season, and you haven't checked out Black Christmas yet. I highly recommend the 2006 remake. You can watch that first, and then if you like it, go back and watch the original. You do not need to watch the original first. I do not recommend the 2019 remake, which is why we didn't talk about that one at all. Yeah, you don't really need to see that. You don't need to see that one, but this is definitely this is part of my top three Chris. It's Black Christmas, uh, A Christmas Story, and Christmas Vacation are my top three Christmas movies. And then just underneath that on the second tier, we have The Shining, we have Scrooged, and uh The Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

I like Elf, Krampus, and Muppet Christmas Carol. There you go. Um, to your point of the order to watch them, yes, you don't have to have watched the original in order to watch this remake. But I I would I think it depends on on how you like to watch your movies, like your remakes versus originals. I don't think it's necessary either way.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

You're gonna give them some veterinarian answer, like, well, you know, no, I don't think it's necessary.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

But here's here's the thing surgery here's here's the big difference between them, which I appreciate them both for. The original is a a lot more open-ended, so you don't really know it's not you don't really know who the killer is or why, other than what they're doing in the house. The new one, you get far more backstory to this character and where they came from and why their family is so twisted and what so it's nice to get that there's more there's some origin story in the remake. So it depends. If you if you really love an origin story, watch the new one first. If you want to like lead into it and build the lore a little bit, maybe watch the original first and then open that up into the remake.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Yeah, fuck my recommendation. Just go ahead and do what Robert said.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

No, your recommendation is great. What I'm saying is you have options.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Of course, they have options, and sometimes people are overwhelmed by options. So, as the originating adhesive advice, I said, don't worry about watching them in order. Today's podcast is about the 2006 movie. Go and watch that, and then if you happen to like that, treat yourself to the 74 classic. Yeah, that's my recommendation, folks.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Do that. My goodness, someone's getting cold and they're fucking stuck on. Yay. Okay, well, this is your Sigma host signing off for the holidays, wishing you and yours a very happy holiday season. And we look forward to seeing you in the new year with season four. Yeah. Thanks for listening, guys. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Bye.