Domo Arigato Mrs Moore

Today's episode is all about the 80s! We chat through some of our favorite memories that we grew up with across music, tv, movies, and why we're so glad some things never go out of style.
What are some of your favorite things about the 80s?

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SPEAKER_00 0:15

Hi. Hey babe. We're back.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

We are back. Still kind of sick, but still kind of sick. Getting through it. Getting through it. I'm feeling better. You're kind of struggling a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

I sound like crap.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

But um, but we're we're making it work.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Um, and I want to be better now because I'm tired of being sick, but also it's getting sunnier, and getting sunnier means more pool time, and more pool time means more 80s yacht rock, which means more Dakries, which means more happy Robert. So um yes, that's what I want. I want that, and I want more 80s.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

So this is the perfect season that we're coming into, then to discuss 80s because there's something about the 80s that is always, at least I think for kids who grew up in the 80s and you had summer vacation, it was just such a oh Mickey, you're so fine kind of time for us. Yep. And 80s music in the summertime by the pool is the best. So uh we're we're gonna be discussing 80s culture today.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

I can go for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

So I am older, I was born in the 70s.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

I am older.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

So I have memories from 80 to 89. And Robert, you were born in 82. So you're mid to late 80s in your memory references.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

That's right. I'm a geriatric millennial.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Geriatric millennial. I think for a short while referred to as Gen Y.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Yeah, I I hear whispers of that, but I think they very quickly found an opportunity to call us snowflakes, and then they attach that to millennial, and now we're a bad thing. Except now boomers are confusing us with Gen Z, and I don't think they really know what's going on at all.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

I think boomers are at that point where they don't know what's going on anymore.

unknown 2:10

They know.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Where did my teeth go?

SPEAKER_01 2:13

But what's so great is that boomers and millennials have been embroiled in this war for like the past 10 years, and only just now are people being like, oh, wait a minute, there's a whole relation in between those two.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Wasn't there another one?

SPEAKER_01 2:29

And you know why? Because Gen X, we knew how to keep our eyes in our own paper and we knew how to keep our mouths shut because we grew up in the era where you don't spoke until you're spoken to.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

You don't spoke.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

You don't spoke.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

You don't spoke at all.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

No, and we put baseball cards in the spokes of our bicycle wheel so they made that cool sound when we rode. And we didn't have play dates, right? We were kicked out of the house by 10 a.m. and we were told not to come back until it was dark. And the weak ones among us ended up on milk cartons or are an episode of Unsolved Mysteries.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

I was one of those weak ones. My mom kicked us out of the house because she wanted to stay inside in the air conditioning, in the quiet, to watch her stories while my brother and I were forced to be outside in the heat to figure out what to do.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

But you weren't a weak one because you didn't end up on a milk carton or an episode of Unsolved Mysteries.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

That's true. I grew up that's the joke. Yeah, no, no. I grew up in a very uh boring white neighborhood, so there wasn't any.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Well, hey, you know, some really gnarly stuff happens in boring white neighborhoods. No, I'm so again, you you weren't one of the weak ones. So but that should tell you how weak the weak ones have to be if my husband survived.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Yeah. Wait. 80s. We're talking 80s. I remember I remember a lot of the 80s because that's when I was a the my happiest, I think. Oh and I have a lot of really nice memories of like sitting by the pool, spending time at my grandmother's house by the pool. 80s music was always playing.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yep. 80s was a great time for music. Yeah. Um movies. A lot of different genres, and all the genres were really cool and fun to listen to, with the exception of country. Folk music hadn't really come around yet. Um, I mean, there was folk music from like Mary Peter and Paul, but not the Mumford and Sons kind of folk music.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

It's Carol King.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

And yeah, and it was just it, no, it was really great. I mean, music told a story, it took you on a journey, but it wasn't always sad and maudlin. It was a lot of fun. And the instruments that were played, the bridges, I mean, no one ever does a freaking bridge anymore. And it's like the best part of the song. It like takes you out of it just to throw you back into it, and it's it's amazing, it's absolutely amazing. Bands like Journey and Human League and White Snake, Holland Oates, Bobby Brown, ABC, Madonna, Madonna, Prince. I mean, it's just Michael Jackson, and there's just so, so much. Like Breakout Sister, and uh it was a really great time for music. It was a really fun time for movies. You had Chucky Cheeses, um, you know, it just it was before things started getting really dark and dangerous. It was like the last decade where you could just go out and have fun and not worry that your kid was going to be decapitated on the evening news.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Well, I don't know why. I don't know why it goes there. But yes.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Well, it goes there because of John Walsh and his kid, right? And he was the one that started America's Most Wanted.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Oh, sorry. I was thinking Brendan Walsh, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Oh, Lord, honey.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

John Walsh.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

John Walsh, his son was abducted in the mid-80s, and they found his head in a river, and it was devastating. And so he started America's Most Wanted in order to try to restore a little bit of balance to the nastiness that was going on out there, which not to get too political, but all this bad stuff started happening after Reagan closed down all the mental institutions. So it was a dangerous time, but it also depends on where you live. Like my memories of being in LA, because I'm an LA native, I was born in Los Angeles, I love it, it's my home. Um, I had a ton of fun. Uh there was not as much of a sense of danger in Los Angeles as when I was in New York, because part of my family also lived in New York. So I got to fly back and forth a lot as a kid. And I always remember there was just a different kind of edge in the city of New York. I was always sticking a little bit closer to my mom whenever I was in New York, but whenever I was in LA, I was on my bike, riding around in the neighborhood, not checking in, just waiting for the street lights to come on, coming home with like stray cats and dildos that I found in the park across the way, like not knowing what any of this stuff was. What? Yeah, there was one time where a couple of the neighborhood kids and I were taking a shortcut, because that's what you did in the 80s, through this field, this neglected field, and one of them tripped over something, and it ended up being just a boiler run-of-the-mill silicone dildo. And we all thought it was hilarious, and we grabbed it and we were just playing with it as we're walking through the field. And of course, when we get to the other side of the field, all the parents are hanging out in the front yard talking and drinking, waiting for us to show up, and they just see us show up with this stick, a straight cat, and a dildo.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

So weird. I I grew up in the suburbs, so we didn't really have much of that.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Yeah, it was good times.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Okay, yeah. We didn't have dildos laying around in the yards.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah. One of my I have a lot of really great memories from the 80s. One of my favorite uh memories is I was probably about seven or eight, and it was summer. I was staying uh over at my aunt and uncle's in Studio City, and uh uncle was at work for the day, and uh Aunt Pat and I were sunning ourselves um in the hot Southern California summer sun, and it was 80s tunes like human and walk like an Egyptian.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Oh, yeah, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Every time you go as a kid, and we had the Bandis Soleil Orange Julie, and I got to drink soda, and she was drinking wine, and um, she had her Benson and Hedges 100s, and I just thought, oh, how lucky am I to be living at this time, living this way? Like it was just so cool, and that has just forever been cemented into my head, and and so the summertime is always really great. The 80s tunes always come out during the summertime, um, but it was also a hard time too, because it was elementary school and junior high, and um, it wasn't easy for me as a kid. I did great around adults, but I did not do good around kids. And so I was teased and I was bullied because I was a feminine kid and I became overweight in like the fourth grade, and um, probably because I was bullied and teased. And so my first drug of choice was food, and that quickly evolved into other drugs of choices by the 90s.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

To learn more about Jared's drug adventure, listen to the earlier episode.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Drugs are fun. I like drugs. I like drugs, I like certain types of drugs. I like being able to experiment and feel different things when I want to feel them at different times.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Drugs are fun, okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Drugs are fun and good.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Um, I did not do drugs, but what I did do, my drug of choice, was cartoons, and there were a lot of amazing 80s cartoons like Muppet Babies.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

The Muppet Babies rule.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Alvin and the Chipmunks, and The Wuzzles. Oh, the Wuzzles was good. You know what's funny about the Wuzzles? Everyone remembers the Wuzzles. Like everyone of our generation remembers it, like in that time period when it was on. But there were only like nine episodes of the Wuzzles ever made.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Yeah, it was like one one year, one season.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah, it's crazy. So, like, we all loved this show that was on for maybe a year, and then if they syndicated it, they just kept showing those same nine episodes over and over again. But it's it's crazy that we have such a fond memory over something so silly like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

And then there's a definitive break between the um weekday afternoon cartoons and the Saturday morning cartoons. Like, oh yeah, there's a difference between the midday soap operas and the primetime soap operas. So coming home from school, I would have G.I. Joe and Gemin the Holograms and Thundercats. Those were like the three big afterschool cartoons that I watched. And then on Saturday mornings, I liked uh the Wuzzles and Berenstein Bears and the Muppet Babies. And then after Muppet Babies came on Kids Incorporated, which I just thought was so cool.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

It is cool.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Yeah, and then Sunday mornings were just schlock on TV. Well, yeah, because it's because everyone was supposed to be a church anyway.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Yeah, that's dumb. Not church itself, but dumb that you have to go do a thing on Sunday that you don't really want to.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Yeah. Well, if you think about it in hindsight, though, how many times do we save ourselves from disappointment and not being able to watch a good Sunday morning cartoon? Because Sundays are when everything happens, Mother's Day, Father's Day, Easter. Like there's so much that happens on a Sunday that would interfere. It's like when your Monday night program gets interrupted because Monday night football's gotta come on. It's like if it's that important, give it its own fucking station.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

It does have its own station, and it still interrupts like cartoons.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Yeah. I hate it. It's stupid. I hated Monday night football in my house growing up in the 80s because my parents were big football fanatics and I just didn't like it. And I was forced to sit there and watch it.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

What is what is so special about Monday night football when it's also on Thursday and on Sunday?

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

What's I don't get it? Why is Monday night football such a thing? If you guys know, please let us know. Yeah, let us know. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

I have my suspicions, but I think they'll just come across as being very insulting.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

So we do plenty of that anyway, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

We do plenty of well, okay. So fine. So I think that sports are so big, and sports will always reign supreme, or has always reigned supreme, because it speaks to the masses. And the masses much rather watch men being men in America beating themselves up, getting the ball across the line, drinking them Miller-like beers, than watching 90210 or Dynasty or doing what we were talking about in a previous podcast about being open-minded to things and experiences that are different than what you've just had. You don't have to like it, but anytime there's a majority in this country, it's the assumed like philosophy of democracy that then that's gonna that has to be for everybody, even when it doesn't have to be for everyone.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Well, it's not just in the country, that was in our households. Like I would go to family-house is in the country. I know, but like I would go to a family dinner on Sunday and football would always be on. And if it wasn't football season, basketball would be on. And if it wasn't, then it would be baseball.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

And I remember just what you do when you're in a Merc.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah, and I would try to be I would try to be open to it and like, hey, grandpa, how does this game work? Or can you explain to me how they earn points and what they are? Not interested. They could give a shit. So I'm just sitting there.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Because they probably didn't understand it well enough themselves to be able to explain it to you. They just recognized moments where they could then get up and cheer and make a bunch of noise and get the attention that they needed to make them feel like they were a part of the masses.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

That's dumb.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

I agree. Um, but and all the clapping and the hooting and the hollering and how it's like they can't hear you. You are at home, they are on the field, they cannot hear you through the helmets.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

It's like when people clap at the maze. When they clap in the movie theater, it's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Girl, you just missed my joke.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

You cut me off and you missed my joke.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Oh, I oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

What was my joke then, sir?

SPEAKER_00 14:31

It was they can't hear you. You're clapping for no one.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Because they can't hear you because you're at home and they're on the field and they can't hear you through their helmets.

unknown 14:44

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

They can't hear you because they're on TV, not because they're wearing helmets.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Got it, got it.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Oh, well, folks, that's why I don't do stand-up.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Like no one wants to listen to. I didn't realize that was a joke. I thought you were just saying.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

I know, because you were being all quick with your response that you didn't let me finish mine.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. That was a very funny joke, man.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

It would have been. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

It's still there, it still exists.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. So going back to 80s when people interrupted themselves all the time.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

The 80s was also, I think, a time where our society was expanding at a very large rate, coming out of the 70s, coming out of the feminist movement and birth control. And then we had, for good or bad, this capitalistic movement with Reagan where everything seemed possible, like the middle class could get things that only the rich could get. Credit exploded, people were buying things, cocaine was like everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

You loved cocaine as a kid.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

I did try it for the first time when I was uh I was I think 11 or 12 was the first time I did it. So I did do it very early on. I did do it in the 80s. Um, but my time to shine for Coke was in the 90s and um 2000s.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

That's another episode. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

That is another episode.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

That's a fun one.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Um there was just a lot going on, and I think people felt really free, and people were doing things that they had never done before, and it was very exhilarating. And video games, video games, video games kicked off in the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Yeah, that was huge.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yep, dance clubs were really big, Chippendales, Chippendales.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Yeah, there was some good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

There was so much good stuff about the a cars were changing, houses were becoming like calling cards to the people that lived in them, and and the styles and the trends that were coming out. I mean, not all great, not all great, uh, but I I do have an affinity for black lacquer furniture.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

A lot of that stuff is still happening. I mean, there are always new cars, there are always new styles and things like that. But what is what do you suppose makes the 80s the 80s? It's not the neon, it's not the day glow, it's not like when you have an 80s party and everyone's dressed the same. What is it about the 80s that makes it so 80s?

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Everyone was ready to have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

I like that. That's good. I think that's the that's I think that's the only way to put it.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Yeah, people were up for a good time.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Yeah, and that could be anything. Anything, but I feel like no one was like quick to shit on anyone for their things that they like to do.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Not definitely not like they are now. No. They were things were just things were more fun. People wanted to have more fun, people were up to doing more things, people I think were traveling more, we had more clubs, more um, it was also pre-music, it was pre-internet, so it everyone was out. If you wanted to do something, you had to be out. You so being out meant you were meeting people and you were making connections, and well, you couldn't interact otherwise, you couldn't interact otherwise. And then in in the early 90s, the internet really wasn't around, but there were you know, after Black Monday and the stock market crash, the coming into the 90s was a little dark, people were kind of throttling back, people were starting to get a little bit more serious, all of like the big T's perms were now like flat-ironed bobs, and everything was just very restrained. And then by the mid-90s, when the internet became available mass market via those little AOL discs, um, we very quickly ramped up by 2000 to a new way of connecting with people that I think has only since taken us away from each other in a physical capacity and brought us together in a more um like an online reality, I can't think of the word, but um it's virtual reality.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Yeah, it's like metaverse.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

And I think in doing so, people have become a lot more volatile because when you were out with your friends and you stepped out of line, your friends will go, whoa, hey, whoa, and maybe you had a fight, maybe you didn't, maybe it was resolved, maybe it wasn't, but you kind of got the message, and it's how we learned how to gauge ourselves around other people. But now there's no consequence, everything is done behind a screen, like we were talking about, I think, in the first episode of this season, and how people just go zero to 60 on social media and attack others for something that has nothing to do with their particular argument. They're just constantly looking for tits on an answer they can sound off about something to get that toxic surge of adrenaline that they get from any kind of attention without actually being able to acknowledge the fact that they're stepping out of line, they're hurting someone's feelings and they're saying something that has nothing to do with what's being said because there are four other people sitting around the couch saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're out of line. There's no real third-party majority perspective anymore.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

If you could pick one thing from the 80s to bring back to current coin.

unknown 20:12

Good cocaine?

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Not qua leudes, the real cocaine.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

No, quaaludes was 70s, the good cocaine. The good cocaine that made everybody want to party and have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

That's the one thing you would bring back from the 80s, the one thing where you're like, you know what we're missing? Cocaine.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Well, let's think about it. Okay, what don't we have now that we had in the 80s?

SPEAKER_00 20:30

I would bring back storytelling. Like I would bring back the amazing like thoughts and ideas and stories that we got, especially in movies during the 80s, stuff like E.T. and Goonies and uh Raiders of Lost Ark. Like stuff I feel like we aren't really getting anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

I think we are, I think it's just adjusted for the palette of today's consumer. That's because what those movies brought to us couldn't stay there forever. Because once you learn something, then you have to evolve to the next thing in line to learn.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

And there are a lot of- So that's that's where we're at. And we have the cars, we definitely have the music and the movies. We can revisit the 80s anytime we want. We can duplicate the clothes if we can't find them at a secondhand store. There's so much of the 80s, but what I would honestly, whether it's the drugs or the music or Chippendale's, what I would bring back from the 80s is the feeling of people just wanting to go out and have a good time with other people.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yeah, I like that. That's nice.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

And Bandusole Orange Julie. Orange Julius. Orange Julie.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

But I would bring back Orange Julius.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

You go to any mall in the middle of nowhere and you can find an Orange Julius.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Okay, alright, good.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

But I would bring back the Bandusole Orange Julie. It was around for a long time, but they finally discontinued it in 2019. But it is like the quintessential 80s tanning lotion. Gel. It's just it was orange, it had a smell that was just so distinct. Like you, if you were a band of soda. Lover, you knew that smell, you recognized that smell as soon as you smelled it. And that was that was fun. But definitely the desire for people to want to go out and have a good time. And feeling like we could, feeling like we had the resources to do that. I just feel like now it feels like we're in a pressure cooker. 80s was about releasing all the pressure, like everything that went on with the recession in the 70s and those long gas lines and all the stuff that made everybody go into Studio 54. And then we got into the 80s, and then it was just like, I don't know, there was this moment of freedom. Like I don't know. It was just it's it was a fucking fun time, and I'm glad that I was old enough to be a part of it and to remember it. It's a big part of my childhood. And then my teenage years in my early 20s were the 90s.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Right. Yeah, it was a good time. I look back on it fondly. I mean, and for me, the the the major like keystone of the 80s is the music for me.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Music, which we've fortunately we've still got.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

As difficult as it is when it comes to musicians. So let me just put this out there for any musicians that are listening. I understand that we've all got to make a coin, okay? But when you make a song, and the expectation or the entitlement is that anytime that song lands on someone's ears, you need to get paid. It's kind of ruining your industry. The point I will use is when you sell your music or quote unquote license your music to a movie or a TV show. And then when we want to go back and watch that, we've got to watch some music version of that song for licensing purposes. It sucks. It destroys the content because in the Halloween episode of the second season of 90210, when Jenny Garth as Kelly Taylor shows up as the sexy witch at the Halloween party, they're playing Karen White Romantic. It makes the scene. Now, in streaming, you can't get that. On DVDs, you can't get that. It's some ridiculous music version that completely destroys the scene and takes any oomph out of it, all for a couple of pennies. It makes absolutely no sense. Sell it for a flat fee, be happy that you made some money off of something that you've created, and then move on to the next project and let people who appreciate your work continue to appreciate your work. It feels so smarmy to me that we can't watch a program that we grew up watching and developed an affinity for because of your musical talents. And now, because of money that you don't need, you want to take that away from us and present prevent yourself from exposing that work to a new generation that hasn't heard it, that would then go to Pandora or iTunes to purchase that track to listen to it in their 90210 mix.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Um I find that that happens most often with uh content that was created pre-streaming because the licensing contracts and rights weren't created with that in mind. Because I really don't see that in stuff now.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Yes, I I will agree with you, but if you're not making it point enough, is it enough for them to do this?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

I have other things to say. So, what I would like for them to do is knowing that these pieces of content are now being put onto streaming platforms for people to enjoy, to take the time to budget in that additional money, whatever it costs, go to the artist and say, Hey, we're gonna use your song again. Here's however much money to now purchase it for streaming rights. And I think what's happening retroactively. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

And I think what's happening is the um the streaming platforms are the people who are making the decisions. They're not, I don't think they're even going to the artists and asking them if we can use your song for this episode. They're they're not even bothering.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

I think they're just trying to because the idea is that they're going to get bent over a barrel for a song that's 30 years old.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

I think I think you're right. But then we have this wonderful example of Kate Bush in the latest um um Stranger Things, where her song was used in the show, and now everyone's obsessed with it and they love it and they act like they've never heard it before. Ah that should be a that should be a prime example of how wonderful this industry could be if we actually gave it.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

We are hearing that song more on TikTok challenges, and more people are listening to that through TikTok than they are through Stranger Things, and there's no penalization for playing that song on TikTok, but yet you can't stream it on something from 20 years ago. If you sell your song to be played on an episode of a TV show, there should be a flat rate. The song belongs on that episode. It's not like people are gonna be able to extract it, and if they are, they're gonna be speaking of 80s, they're gonna be holding up their portable radio, their little cassette player, up to the speaker and hitting record while the song is playing off the TV. Like, I just don't understand. It's like if I do someone's hair color, I charge them for that hair color, but then every time someone looks at their hair color, I think I should get another dollar for that. Like, no, that's not how it works. And it's just this, I don't know, it doesn't need to be that way. It doesn't need to be that way, and some people do it that way, and it's just ego. And after 46 years, I've realized that the one thing that fucks all of us up and always, always is our damn ego. Gross. Yeah, it's an all-encompassing human trait that is meant to sabotage our best efforts.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

You created a beautiful piece of music that someone said this is gonna complement my storytelling beautifully. Let's do that. Leave the song in it, and then every time a DVD gets sold, you just get 25 cents for that DVD or a dollar for that DVD. It doesn't have to be the song, and then you take the song out of it because it makes it. It's like being in New York, you order a regular coffee and you just get black coffee with sugar and no cream. Like, come on! Like, how small and petty do people have to be, especially when it comes to artwork, which you're creating for the masses. And you're still getting credit for it. It's not like someone saying, Oh, um, this is romantic uh by uh Martika, not Karen Watt. Like you're still getting the credit for it. You're I it just it just baffles me. And and I'm hot because we just watched that dynasty making of a guilty pleasure TV movie, and the best scene in it had Robbie Neville's say la vie as they were all getting big and successful, and here's the scene, and I'm like, wait, what the fuck is this shit?

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Can you guys tell it really bothers him?

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Stop being so damn greedy. Go listen to some 80s music now, guys. And thanks for listening to us. See you next time. Bye.